{"id":1851,"date":"2022-11-06T09:30:00","date_gmt":"2022-11-06T14:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/twochurches.org\/?p=1851"},"modified":"2022-11-09T15:12:43","modified_gmt":"2022-11-09T20:12:43","slug":"a-convoluted-contradiction","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/twochurches.org\/index.php\/2022\/11\/06\/a-convoluted-contradiction\/","title":{"rendered":"A Convoluted Contradiction"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Year A<br>&nbsp;Daniel 7:1-3,15-18<br>&nbsp;Psalm 149<br>&nbsp;2 Thessalonians 2:1-5, 13-17<br>&nbsp;Luke 20:27-38<br>May the words of my mouth O God\u2026&nbsp; speak your truth\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Can God create a rock so heavy\u2026&nbsp; that God could not lift it\u2026&nbsp; this question is a convoluted contradiction about divine omnipotence\u2026&nbsp; about being all-potent\u2026&nbsp; because if God can create a rock that God cannot lift\u2026&nbsp; then God is not omnipotent\u2026&nbsp; and if God cannot create a rock so heavy that God cannot lift it\u2026&nbsp; then God is likewise not omnipotent\u2026&nbsp; so according to this particular question\u2026&nbsp; omnipotence is self-contradictory\u2026 and God cannot be omnipotent\u2026&nbsp; so in response to the question\u2026 &nbsp;can God create a rock so heavy that God could not lift it\u2026&nbsp; the quick answer is <em>No<\/em>&#8230;&nbsp; but it&#8217;s more important to understand the explanation of why this is so\u2026&nbsp; instead of knowing just the answer itself\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The question is based on a misunderstanding about what words like &#8216;almighty&#8217; or &#8216;omnipotent&#8217; mean\u2026&nbsp; and they don&#8217;t mean that God can do anything\u2026&nbsp; instead\u2026 &nbsp;they describe the amount of God\u2019s power\u2026&nbsp; and power is the ability to effect change\u2026&nbsp; to make something happen\u2026&nbsp; God has unlimited power\u2026&nbsp; and the Bible affirms this in passages like Job Ch. 11:7-11 which establishes God&#8217;s limits as higher than Heaven\u2026&nbsp; and deeper than Sheol\u2026&nbsp; a measure longer than the earth\u2026&nbsp; and broader than the sea\u2026&nbsp; or in Ch. 37:23\u2026&nbsp; which describes <em>El Shaddai<\/em>\u2026&nbsp; God Almighty\u2026&nbsp; as unattainable\u2026&nbsp; great in power and justice\u2026&nbsp; abundant in righteousness\u2026&nbsp; and One who does not torment\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so God can do whatever is possible to be done\u2026&nbsp; but God cannot do that which is actually impossible\u2026&nbsp; and that&#8217;s because true impossibility isn&#8217;t based on the amount of power one has\u2026&nbsp; but is based on what is really possible\u2026&nbsp; and since the truly impossible is not made possible by adding more power\u2026&nbsp; impossibility means the same thing whether or not God is involved\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In fact\u2026&nbsp; the Bible itself lists things God cannot do\u2026&nbsp; like lie\u2026 &nbsp;or deny God&#8217;s own faithfulness\u2026&nbsp; these things are not in God&#8217;s nature\u2026 &nbsp;and God cannot do\u2026&nbsp; what is not actually possible to be done\u2026 &nbsp;like creating a two-sided triangle\u2026&nbsp; or a married bachelor\u2026&nbsp; just because words can be strung together in this way\u2026&nbsp; doesn&#8217;t make the impossible possible\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now what about that rock\u2026&nbsp; a rock would have to be infinitely large to defeat an infinite amount of lifting power\u2026&nbsp; but an infinite rock is a contradiction since material objects cannot be infinite\u2026&nbsp; only God is infinite\u2026&nbsp; there cannot be two infinites\u2026&nbsp; so the underlying question itself\u2026&nbsp; is really asking whether God can create a contradiction\u2026&nbsp; and God cannot\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As we begin our seven-week Advent today\u2026&nbsp; looking ahead with anticipation to the fulfillment of God&#8217;s plan each one of us\u2026&nbsp; and for all of creation\u2026&nbsp; looking ahead to why the Incarnation happened at all\u2026&nbsp; we also briefly\u2026&nbsp; look back in the week to All Saints&#8217; Day and the reading from Daniel\u2026&nbsp; as Pamela Cooper-White\u2026&nbsp; Professor of Pastoral Theology at Columbia Theological Seminary in Decatur, GA&nbsp; reminds us\u2026&nbsp; All Saints&#8217; Day is a day to honor the priesthood of all believers\u2026&nbsp; the saint-hood of all believers\u2026&nbsp; this is emphatically not a day to venerate a select number of superstars of the faith\u2026&nbsp; which was Church practice before the Reformation\u2026&nbsp; but a time to recognize that all of us as Christians together\u2026&nbsp; both the living and the departed\u2026&nbsp; are saints of God\u2026&nbsp; that Great Cloud of Witnesses referred to in Hebrews 12:1\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In our Jewish scripture reading\u2026&nbsp; we become insiders\u2026&nbsp; confidants to Daniel&#8217;s dream\u2026&nbsp; which is full of apocalyptic&nbsp; images\u2026&nbsp; eschatological images\u2026&nbsp; and in our own time\u2026&nbsp; our attention often moves from the huge to the insignificant and back\u2026&nbsp; as our world turns\u2026&nbsp; and our seas churn\u2026&nbsp; we hear the great beat of monsters rising from our seas\u2026&nbsp; from environmental concerns\u2026&nbsp; to racism and white supremacy\u2026&nbsp; to our political divisions\u2026&nbsp; from things said to our therapists\u2026&nbsp; or things we can barely say to ourselves&#8230;&nbsp; yet we can ask these monsters what it would take to quiet and soothe them\u2026&nbsp; and we can ask God for open ears and hearts\u2026&nbsp; to hear their replies\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so Jesus is asked a question by the Sadducees&#8230; members of a Jewish sect\u2026&nbsp; who denied the resurrection of the dead\u2026 &nbsp;the existence of spirits\u2026&nbsp; and the practice of an oral tradition\u2026&nbsp; but who emphasized acceptance of the written Law alone\u2026&nbsp; now we ought not make blanket assumptions about every Sadducee\u2026&nbsp; Pharisee\u2026&nbsp; or any of the various Jewish religious and political groups\u2026&nbsp; but they were\u2026&nbsp; as John Shea writes\u2026&nbsp; by and large not Jesus&#8217; friends\u2026&nbsp; not companions sitting around a campfire who entertained themselves with trivial banter\u2026&nbsp; they were people of significant political and religious influence who were skeptical and concerned about Jesus\u2019 provocative ministry\u2026&nbsp; and considering their line of questioning\u2026&nbsp; we might be wary of their underlying intentions\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And we might be reminded\u2026&nbsp; that at that time\u2026&nbsp; belief in a resurrection of the dead was a relatively new feature within Judaism\u2026&nbsp; only several hundred years old\u2026&nbsp; the Sadducees were traditionalists\u2026&nbsp; confining themselves to the books that Moses wrote and admitting to little else\u2026 but although they had a rationale\u2026&nbsp; it was based in some fallacious assumptions\u2026&nbsp; one reason they couldn&#8217;t accept the resurrection of the dead\u2026&nbsp; was because it couldn&#8217;t accommodate the command about Levirate marriage which was described in Deuteronomy 25:5-10\u2026&nbsp; that is\u2026&nbsp; the obligation of a man to marry his sister-in-law\u2026&nbsp; should his brother die\u2026&nbsp; so that his brother&#8217;s lineage could continue on\u2026&nbsp; and the reason they couldn&#8217;t accept that\u2026&nbsp; was because it would lead to polyandry\u2026&nbsp; the practice of one woman having more than one husband\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But even further\u2026&nbsp; because of Mosaic purity laws\u2026&nbsp; they asked\u2026&nbsp; perhaps flippantly\u2026&nbsp; <em>So when the dead are raised\u2026&nbsp; must they too follow purity laws\u2026&nbsp; must they be sprinkled\u2026&nbsp; since they have been in contact with a dead body\u2026&nbsp; namely their own<\/em>\u2026&nbsp; but an even more subtle part of their argument raises issues of materialism\u2026&nbsp; since in the resurrection of the dead\u2026&nbsp; they saw people as being forced to return to this space-time continuum\u2026&nbsp; and being subject once more to the laws that are in effect here\u2026&nbsp; and from which they had been freed in their trans-temporal realm\u2026&nbsp; and in some ways\u2026&nbsp; their line of questioning is like the one with which I began this sermon\u2026 their assumptions are wrongheaded\u2026&nbsp; the question itself is really asking whether God can create a contradiction\u2026&nbsp; and needs to be unpacked\u2026&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The underlying premise of Levirate marriage\u2026&nbsp; the underlying motivation\u2026&nbsp; was the threat of extinction\u2026&nbsp; and marriage equaled procreation\u2026&nbsp; the continuance of the clan was an overriding value\u2026 and we must also consider how harsh life was then\u2026&nbsp; and what the level of infant mortality must have been\u2026 but since resurrected people won&#8217;t die\u2026&nbsp; in the age to come\u2026&nbsp; marrying and being given in marriage won&#8217;t be required\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But what about those who had already died\u2026&nbsp; when Moses turned aside to investigate the bush that didn&#8217;t burn up\u2026&nbsp; YHWH was identified as&#8230; <em>the God of your father\u2026&nbsp; the God of Abraham\u2026&nbsp; the God of Isaac\u2026&nbsp; and the God of Jacob<\/em>\u2026&nbsp; and when God said this\u2026&nbsp; those patriarchs were already dead\u2026 . but we know that God is a God of the living and not of the dead\u2026&nbsp; so the unavoidable conclusion is that they are alive in God\u2026&nbsp; that they are living in God\u2026&nbsp; even though they have left the earth\u2026&nbsp; and as John Shea writes\u2026&nbsp; Jesus\u2026&nbsp; the beloved Son\u2026&nbsp; knows that God always is\u2026&nbsp; and those who are of God&#8230; always are\u2026&nbsp; and this is what\u2026&nbsp; <em>resurrection of the dead<\/em>\u2026&nbsp; means\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We are saints\u2026&nbsp; but that doesn&#8217;t mean that we&#8217;ve become so holy that we can&#8217;t squeeze in any more holiness\u2026&nbsp; it&#8217;s not because every decision we make is perfectly made\u2026&nbsp; or because every word we utter is perfectly chosen\u2026&nbsp; we are saints because as 1John 4:19 says\u2026 <em>God loved us first<\/em>\u2026&nbsp; we are saints\u2026&nbsp; because\u2026&nbsp; we are saved by grace through faith\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We are saints\u2026&nbsp; because\u2026&nbsp; when we consider the chaos that Daniel described\u2026&nbsp; and look at the chaos swirling around us now\u2026&nbsp; we know in our bones\u2026&nbsp; deep in our bones\u2026&nbsp; our need for Jesus\u2026&nbsp; and all of the Wisdom he embodied\u2026&nbsp; and true eschatology begins in the moment when we not only understand that\u2026&nbsp; but perhaps even speak it out loud\u2026<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Year A&nbsp;Daniel 7:1-3,15-18&nbsp;Psalm 149&nbsp;2 Thessalonians 2:1-5, 13-17&nbsp;Luke 20:27-38May the words of my mouth O God\u2026&nbsp; speak your truth\u2026 Can God create a rock so heavy\u2026&nbsp; that God could not lift it\u2026&nbsp; this question is a convoluted contradiction about divine omnipotence\u2026&nbsp; about being all-potent\u2026&nbsp; because if God can create a rock that God cannot lift\u2026&nbsp; then God is not omnipotent\u2026&nbsp; and if God cannot create a rock so heavy that God cannot lift it\u2026&nbsp; then God is likewise not omnipotent\u2026&nbsp; so according to this particular question\u2026&nbsp; omnipotence is self-contradictory\u2026 and God cannot be omnipotent\u2026&nbsp; so in response to the question\u2026 &nbsp;can God create a rock so heavy that God could not lift it\u2026&nbsp; the quick answer is No&#8230;&nbsp; but it&#8217;s more important to understand the explanation of why this is so\u2026&nbsp; instead of knowing just the answer itself\u2026 The question is based on a misunderstanding about what words like &#8216;almighty&#8217; or &#8216;omnipotent&#8217; mean\u2026&nbsp; and they don&#8217;t mean that God can do anything\u2026&nbsp; instead\u2026 &nbsp;they describe the amount of God\u2019s power\u2026&nbsp; and power is the ability to effect change\u2026&nbsp; to make something happen\u2026&nbsp; God has unlimited power\u2026&nbsp; and the Bible affirms this in passages like Job Ch. 11:7-11 which establishes God&#8217;s limits as higher than Heaven\u2026&nbsp; and deeper than Sheol\u2026&nbsp; a measure longer than the earth\u2026&nbsp; and broader than the sea\u2026&nbsp; or in Ch. 37:23\u2026&nbsp; which describes El Shaddai\u2026&nbsp; God Almighty\u2026&nbsp; as unattainable\u2026&nbsp; great in power and justice\u2026&nbsp; abundant in righteousness\u2026&nbsp; and One who does not torment\u2026 And so God can do whatever is possible to be done\u2026&nbsp; but God cannot do that which is actually impossible\u2026&nbsp; and that&#8217;s because true impossibility isn&#8217;t based on the amount of power one has\u2026&nbsp; but is based on what is really possible\u2026&nbsp; and since the truly impossible is not made possible by adding more power\u2026&nbsp; impossibility means the same thing whether or not God is involved\u2026 In fact\u2026&nbsp; the Bible itself lists things God cannot do\u2026&nbsp; like lie\u2026 &nbsp;or deny God&#8217;s own faithfulness\u2026&nbsp; these things are not in God&#8217;s nature\u2026 &nbsp;and God cannot do\u2026&nbsp; what is not actually possible to be done\u2026 &nbsp;like creating a two-sided triangle\u2026&nbsp; or a married bachelor\u2026&nbsp; just because words can be strung together in this way\u2026&nbsp; doesn&#8217;t make the impossible possible\u2026 Now what about that rock\u2026&nbsp; a rock would have to be infinitely large to defeat an infinite amount of lifting power\u2026&nbsp; but an infinite rock is a contradiction since material objects cannot be infinite\u2026&nbsp; only God is infinite\u2026&nbsp; there cannot be two infinites\u2026&nbsp; so the underlying question itself\u2026&nbsp; is really asking whether God can create a contradiction\u2026&nbsp; and God cannot\u2026 As we begin our seven-week Advent today\u2026&nbsp; looking ahead with anticipation to the fulfillment of God&#8217;s plan each one of us\u2026&nbsp; and for all of creation\u2026&nbsp; looking ahead to why the Incarnation happened at all\u2026&nbsp; we also briefly\u2026&nbsp; look back in the week to All Saints&#8217; Day and the reading from Daniel\u2026&nbsp; as Pamela Cooper-White\u2026&nbsp; Professor of Pastoral Theology at Columbia Theological Seminary in Decatur, GA&nbsp; reminds us\u2026&nbsp; All Saints&#8217; Day is a day to honor the priesthood of all believers\u2026&nbsp; the saint-hood of all believers\u2026&nbsp; this is emphatically not a day to venerate a select number of superstars of the faith\u2026&nbsp; which was Church practice before the Reformation\u2026&nbsp; but a time to recognize that all of us as Christians together\u2026&nbsp; both the living and the departed\u2026&nbsp; are saints of God\u2026&nbsp; that Great Cloud of Witnesses referred to in Hebrews 12:1\u2026 In our Jewish scripture reading\u2026&nbsp; we become insiders\u2026&nbsp; confidants to Daniel&#8217;s dream\u2026&nbsp; which is full of apocalyptic&nbsp; 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